Assuming we get Graham and Ellis back in the fold, I think we can do a job on the Kiwis this weekend.

Also think we need to look at the bench.

I know Wilkin can cover a number of different positions, but we should be as most SL matches, with 3 out and out forwards and someone who can play 9 or 7.

Then we have to try and beat the "unbeatables"

Carvell needs to be in whether Peacock plays or not. Kiwis are big boys and we will need the go forward.

I'd keep JJB on the bench though. Thought he did ok.

all too familiar i fear, good show in the first match, run out of steam in the second one. i can see us getting steam rollered in the second half. if we play like we did saturday then we'll win though.



i thought sam tomkins was brilliant. shame about chase, heighington, sinfield, jjb, morley and yeamen though.

Of course we can beat the Kiwis. But we need 4 props in the 17.

Harsh on JJB and Sinfield, howevere I'd play sinfield at loose and put McGuire to 6 then drop yeaman for widdop

harsh how? sinfield is there for his safe hands and safe boot. our kicking in open play was ordinary, and his goal kicking was not international standard.



jjb looked like a fish out of water at that level.

I find it hilarious that Widdop is good enough to play 24 rounds of the NRL season at 6 for Melbourne, but is deemed surplus to requirements and benched for England. Put Sinfield at 13, and Widdop where he belongs, in the halves.

Damn right Gower, we should be trying to play all players in their best position where they will perform to a higher standard.

Completely disagree about JJB, thought he was great.

He ran in hard and got bounced......but he still managed to get more yards than any other forward on the field.

I thought JJB toughed it out rather well. I prefer him to Wilkin anyway.



I think McNamara thinks Widdop is too much of a runner like Chase and has Sinfield there to provide direction. At Melbourne Widdop seems to run off the likes of Cronk and Smith. Can England play two runners at halfback?

Agreed.



Also, Carvell HAS to be on the bench; he's arguably the form prop of the season and is a reet big lad - we need someone who can muscle up against the rufty-tufty Kiwi's and Peacock isn't going to manage that whilst limping around on one leg.

4 Props and a little bit more composure and I genuinely think we can beat anyone on the day.



JJB has to go for mine though from the bench for a fourth Prop. He went well on Saturday so it would be a little harsh, but Wilkin offers that extra threat ball in hand and has a bit more agility that the Kiwi pack may well struggle with.