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| Guscott would definitely have made it in RL if he'd made the switch IMO. Sure he may have needed to bulk up but look at Davies. He did it no problem. Guscott had plenty of flair and was tougher than the majority of England backs at the time such as Carling and Underwood.
He didn't play in the cross codes games because he saw them both as pointless. In the end they proved nothing other than that each club was very good at their own code of rugby.
He may come over as arrogant and I think that's a fair assessment but I think some people are going way OTT.
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| Quote Cornokz="Cornokz"What an incredibly bitter post! To suggest you saw nothing in Guscott to suggest he wouldnt be able to make it in league is just laughable considering the players who did switch and managed to go on to become very good league players. He was twice the rugby players these players were. Why do you think the rugby league clubs were falling over themselves to try and sign him?
As for your last paragraph. lol. Its 2009, not 1989. The codes couldnt be closer. Do you still hate the germans for the second world war too?
Anyway, carry on jerking off about a tournament that was held best part of 15 years ago, funnily enough, also the last time wigan had a decent team because if there was a sevens tournament now, I would take every guiness premiership team over wigan. Union backs in england are now stronger, faster and more skillfull than their league counterparts. We have gone backwards whilst union has really kicked on'"
Guscott ran good lines that was it. No league clubs were falling over themselves to sign him. He was a good union player ran great lines but he would have been destroyed in most other aspects, something off the record he acknowledges. I am not sure who you are comparing with him who did go on to become very good league player I assume the likes of Davis, Bateman, Gibbs etc all who were far more naturally suited to league. Phil Deglanville was the only player worth a look at from that Bath team, vastly underrated player and could have in my opinion been a cracking defensive centre.
Regards the backs there is a vast difference in the physical requirements required in modern day league and union, so to compare the 2 is pretty difficult although from my experiences generally the League lads have come out on top in most core physical disciplines.
I would not take every Guiness Premiership team over Wigan at 7's but i would not expect Wigan to win a 7's these days playing under Union rules, but having said that if the boot was on the other foot I would take every SL side and a good few NL1 sides over any Union side in league 7's.
While the "codes could not be closer" this is a very naive statement, clearly they are working together but if you do not think there is an anti League agenda with the media men and major established figures within the game then you are somewhat deluded.
I would agree that Union is improving as a product and it needs to it is still not a great spectacle domestically, and i also agree we as a Sport are going backwards but I think we are starting to slow down in this respect and 2010 is likely to be a watershed year that will see improvement across the board not just 1 or 2 clubs.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Guscott ran good lines that was it. No league clubs were falling over themselves to sign him. He was a good union player ran great lines but he would have been destroyed in most other aspects, something off the record he acknowledges. I am not sure who you are comparing with him who did go on to become very good league player I assume the likes of Davis, Bateman, Gibbs etc all who were far more naturally suited to league. Phil Deglanville was the only player worth a look at from that Bath team, vastly underrated player and could have in my opinion been a cracking defensive centre.
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I know that Bradford made a couple of concrete offers to sign him, one around 88 and another in 92/93. He turned down both.
I disagree with your opinion that he waas only good at running good lines. He was also quick, had a good change of pace, could step off either foot and had a decent kicking game. I always thought his attitude would suit him in League too as you need a bit of arrogance and cockiness to succeed.
If you read John Bentley's autobiography he rates Guscott in contrast with De Glanville who he doesn't reckon much to at all.
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| I have been pretty close to the Bath camp in my time and have experience of both Deglanville and Guscott, if you asked any of the Bath team who they would want on the field it was Deglanville he had a Dean Bell type aura about him, he would do things that other player would not especially back, he was also ridiculously strong.
Regards the Bradford offers, according to the man himself both were nothing more than a publicity stunt and he never received a serious offer from the club.
Guscott was pretty fast but his acceleration was not the best, Bateman and Davis had raw acceleration, Guscott had pretty bgood feet for a Union player but nothing special for a League player at the time. He also lacked real strength which would have been a major issue in League, his engine was also not the best and i dread to think what effect having to do 10-15 + tackles would have on his game and his pace.
His kicking game was reasonable nothing fantastic, but credit to him he had the ability to come up with a match winning play, again though i would question his ability to do this without a hiding place for 75 minutes of a game that he was often afforded in Union.
Bradford did make a solid and pretty good bid for Mike Tindall in the early 2000's.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Guscott would definitely have made it in RL if he'd made the switch IMO. Sure he may have needed to bulk up but look at Davies. He did it no problem. Guscott had plenty of flair and was tougher than the majority of England backs at the time such as Carling and Underwood.
He didn't play in the cross codes games because he saw them both as pointless. In the end they proved nothing other than that each club was very good at their own code of rugby.
He may come over as arrogant and I think that's a fair assessment but I think some people are going way OTT.'"
Rubbish!
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| Quote jonh="jonh"I have been pretty close to the Bath camp in my time and have experience of both Deglanville and Guscott, if you asked any of the Bath team who they would want on the field it was Deglanville he had a Dean Bell type aura about him, he would do things that other player would not especially back, he was also ridiculously strong.
Regards the Bradford offers, according to the man himself both were nothing more than a publicity stunt and he never received a serious offer from the club.
Guscott was pretty fast but his acceleration was not the best, Bateman and Davis had raw acceleration, Guscott had pretty bgood feet for a Union player but nothing special for a League player at the time. He also lacked real strength which would have been a major issue in League, his engine was also not the best and i dread to think what effect having to do 10-15 + tackles would have on his game and his pace.
His kicking game was reasonable nothing fantastic, but credit to him he had the ability to come up with a match winning play, again though i would question his ability to do this without a hiding place for 75 minutes of a game that he was often afforded in Union.
Bradford did make a solid and pretty good bid for Mike Tindall in the early 2000's.'"
I still reckon that a proper weight training regime would've got Guscott powerful and fit enough for League.
I don't doubt that most Bath players preferred playing with De Glanville. He was a much better team man and not self centred and arrogant like Guscott could be. I guess they knew they could rely on him.
As for Tindall he had the physique but I doibt he had the skills to make it in League. We were also have meant to have made an offer for Neil Jenkins too around that time. Gawd knows why!
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"I still reckon that a proper weight training regime would've got Guscott powerful and fit enough for League.
I don't doubt that most Bath players preferred playing with De Glanville. He was a much better team man and not self centred and arrogant like Guscott could be. I guess they knew they could rely on him.
As for Tindall he had the physique but I doibt he had the skills to make it in League. We were also have meant to have made an offer for Neil Jenkins too around that time. Gawd knows why!'"
I am good mates with Mike played with him for many years, played with a few lads who also went on to have good league careers and he skills are not lacking in comparison, his size and mentality are his main assets though, and he always modelled himself on Danny Peacock as a player. Saints and Leeds have also made offers in the past.
I have no idea why any club would want Jenkins.
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| Quote Cornokz="Cornokz"I think you need to look up what Irony means sunshine. When replying to what I perceive as being a bitter post, with a post that you perceive as being bitter, is not Irony, but then I wouldnt expect a wigan educated person to grasp this.
As for my post, it was bob on. Whats bitter about it? Are you trying to tell me that the backs in super duper league are of the same class as those on show in the guiness premiership?'"
"Irony: Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs"
The irony was not in what you said but the incongruity between your intended meaning and what it actually said.
Now do you get it, genius?
As for the guiness premiership; the current top scorer is a player who was seen as little more than someone with potential in League. Potential that was never realised. You figure it out for yourself Einstein.
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| Quote warrior24="warrior24"Frightening. It would beat most of todays teams to be honest.'"
It would murder all of todays teams. That backline was like the Harlem Globetrotters.
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| Quote Parsifal="Parsifal"Back to Guscott...
The best thing that day was Stevo having a right go at him on the TV and the yawnion men trying to stand up for the coward. Don't forget he was very happy to publicy state that one RL club had offered him a million pounds to switch codes ~ The RL clubs were just a public in saying they hadn't!
Personally I never saw anything in him that would have made him league material.
The thing with these games is its alright for people to say how union has changed since then, but it misses the point. For years everyone was told how big, strong, powerful, skilful, fit these union players where ALREADY. League was never given credit by the media and suddenly here it was in front of the viewers.
PROOF of which code had the superior atheletes.
I had a bet with a bloke from Bath sat behind me £50 that we would put 100 on them. He was laughing saying they'd be close. I was telling him the only reason we wouldn't would be if we got bored.
At half hime i pointed out that we'd actually finished the last few minutes without 13 on the pitch because we'd took people off and not bothered sending anyone else on!
He stood up at half time, gave me 50 quid and went home!
Silly sod would have won the bet!
I looked for him at Twickenham at the sevens and at the yawn fest but SADLY never found him.
The best bit at Twickenham was when we were losing in the final and the whole crowd were suddenly supporting Wasps. They really wanted us to lose. The guy stood behind me, (don't know his name but still see him all the time) was offereing anyone a bet that we'd still win as soon as we got hold of the ball but no one wanted to take him up on it.
I know some of you like the crappy game of kick and clap but i hate it with a passion. It will do anything it can to destroy league and thats why i hate it.
If you think that not the case you need to look again.'"
LOL
Why on earth would RU want to "destroy" RL?
The RFL are doing a good enough job in that department on their own.
Maybe 25 years ago when RU was "Amateur" and RL poached their best players then you may have had a point.
Nowdays the CC ensures RL is a feeder sport for RU. Why on earth would they want to stop that?
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| The battle with RU was lost years ago. They have true international competition and a European competition going back 15 yrs now. On European weekends Sky show as many as 10 live games (incl. red button options) from Thursday to Sunday. We are of no consequence whatsoever.
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| Quote pedro17="pedro17"Rubbish!'"
Erm. Yeah great argument there. 
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