Simply because, when I look honestly at the skills levels of the individuals in our team, it is far higher than the skill levels of most other teams in Superleague.



The trouble is that they only play as individuals (other than the odd, rare game that gives us all false hope. e.g. Saints)



We need someone to mold all of these undoubtedly talented individuals into a cohesive unit. In other words - A team.

I really worry that the coaches are of the same opinion. You constantly need to practice and refine basic skills the Aussies hammer the basic skill drills, rarely do we it seems consider it.



Once a player gets in a first team squad in SL it is assumed they should have all the skill set and it is rarely coached, in the basic form.



Regardless of if you are a GB player or novice at a clubs basic skills must be coached and practised, if they are ignored you get exactly what we see at Wigan most weeks and also what England provided us with in the World Cup.



The Aussies do the little things right, it is no coincidence players from the NRl seem to go backwards when they sign for Wigan as the skills simply are no longer coached and they start to deteriorate.

It's not all the same players from the semi finals. And I'm not impressed that they won one game against saints either. We should be winning a majority of games.



The team is not good enough.

Sorry Mr Noble but you should pick up your P45 on Monday when you go to clear your desk at Orrell. I really wanted us to be successful under Noble as there is nobody at the club wants to win things more than him. I spent a few days working at Orrell last season and the work the guy puts in is unbelievable. I have defended now as much as I can and now believe the time has come to say goodbye. If we bring a new coach in now he has the chance to get us to Wembley, get us in the play-offs and possibly to Old Trafford. All a long shot I know just as staying up was when Noble came here. If we bring in a new coach he has half a season to look at the squad and see who he wants to keep, ship out and bring in. If we do this at the end of the season we have only a few weeks before the players are back in pre season and the players signed will be Noble’s players signed for a new coach. Sorry Brian but its time to say goodbye.

If I were IL the first thing I would do would be to sign Morley, he is just what we need and could do it for another 1 or 2 seasons - Short term fixed.



I would sign LMS and make a play for Burgess, sign Briscoe and Myler. - Long term fixed.



Sign Brian Smith as coach (if he wants to come if not I would give Noble more time to work with the new players).



If the signing of the players require transfer fees then so be it.



Morley £30 000

Burgess £100 000

Briscoe £70 000

Myler £200 000

LMS £80 000



An estimate of what their clubs would want to let them join us.



To leave - Phelps, Bailey, Coley, Prescott (loan), Smith.

Listed all them in the Feka Worth it what topic, first post, got told they are unrealistic targets

Performences indicate that these 'undoubtedly talented individuals' are not as good as we, or perhaps even they, believe they are.



We are average. Our backline is good, our pack is woeful. Especially the props.

How can they be unrealistic? Its simple would you want to play for a massive club averaging 15 000 a game in a good stadium will top class facilities on the way up.



Or



Stay at a small club with 5000 a game in a crap stadium doing better than they should be?



On that basis we could sign Myler and LMS and money talks with Burgess and Briscoe wouldn't turn down the chance to join his hometown club.

For £100k you'd better be talking about Luke Burgess, cos Sam would cost at least 3 times that.

How long has he left on his contract?

I think he's OoC at the end of this year. My opinion of him is that he's got tons of potential, but needs a lot more time to develop his game. He's young enough so it will come. He's got lead feet in defence and needs to control the ball better, but the kid has all the raw materials.

Spot on, that's why I only stated I'd love to see IL plans for Wigan and the years ahead, need to stop the Over-rated Aussie signings when the talent is right under our nose, the fans would be far more repective of the team if it was full of GB players, sick of average aussies from Nrl signing for us, and fans being happy with that.