Without wanting to be overly critical, how many other teams would manage as low a crowd as that for a challenge cup quarter final?

76560 Giants v wolves challenge cup final attendance in 2009.....decent enough crowd for you?

Giants in "relying on fans from other clubs again" shocker!

Thats the giants end in teh background isn't it?



looks pretty empty to me.

Lol that's almost amusing



Out of interest which of these reached the level deemed "acceptable" by the worthies on this thread? And what is acceptable?



Fev v Cas - 4165

Widnes v saints - 3069

Keighley v Wire - 2196

Bulls v Dons - 3210

Wigan v Cru - 4198

Fev v Wigan - 4082



Just so we know what the benchmark/criteria is to pass this kind of thing

This.



I'd ask the Huddersfield Giants board just what "value" they have placed on a season of rugby league at the Galpharm. This is a club that has the cheapest season tickets in the league and has regularly given out free tickets (or at least, 'free to the end user' tickets, before people point out that they've been paid for by sponsors) to notable fixtures. How much does the Giants board think that watching the Giants is actually worth?



The same question applies to the fans and the people of Huddersfield - how much do you think watching the Giants is worth? How does that compare to other leisure activities in and around Huddersfield? Do you think that you are paying a fair price to watch the Giants? That's not a dig or a criticism, it just goes some way to potentially answering this problem.



Personally, I think that the Giants are under-selling their product and that their support base is either one that isn't prepared to pay the 'going rate' (because they don't perceive it as value) or is one that has simply got used to "cheap" rugby. Either way, the Giants (and others) now find it very difficult to convince punters that the actual value of a match is £20 (or whatever the gate price is) rather than whatever they've paid with their heavily subsidised season ticket when the time comes to charge for cup or PO tickets.



This isn't a Giants specific problem per se and it's not exclusively a dig at them. After all, after every round of the cup, at the Magic weekend, at every round of the play-offs and at internationals, we get the "there should be free / cheap tickets" argument, but I think the Giants example is the most obvious. Whilst I appreciate that RL isn't played in the most affluent parts of the world, particuarly in the current climate, it should probably be asked whether we under-selling the sport or whether it is just that RL (either at club level or game-wide) is followed by people who think that the idea of paying more 'tuppence ha'penny' for an evening's entertainment is unreasonable?

For clarity of comparison, which of those are all Superleague QF ties?

Which of those asked travelling fans to make a round trip of a few hundred miles on a Sunday night?



So answer the question - which of those games is acceptable and what is acceptable?

we sold near 20k tickets for the wembley final...



the final is the big showpiece so other teams supporters also go...as with every year

that widnes v saints one was awful!!!



but lets face it all cup games upto the semi final are poorly attended compared to the league game.



same in football...such as the carling cup.

So no one can tell me which of those games has an acceptable attendance, and what is considered acceptable?

So why try to justify the Giants support off the back of it then????

Have we ascertained which were all SL quarter finals at the home of the second-placed team yet?



Perhaps those attendances were so low because the clubs were big meanies and didn't include free tickets with their fifty quid season passes.

You want to compare those games against your TABLE TOPPING TEAMS, ALL SUPER LEAGUE GAME, IN THE CUP QF????



Low crowds in early rounds, sometimes trans-Pennine on a Friday night, cannot be used to justify the apalling crowd at Giants this week.



Compare it like for like. Not good, eh?

Top 2 side at home in a QF with Wembley at stake against a team from the same division is hard to compare with Wigan v Crusaders, but you would hope that a club of the calibre of Hudds has more than 2500 die hards to fall back on when times get tough, again.

Or we can compare say



an all super league tie between a newly promoted club and one of the most successful teams of the modern era playing what is supposedly a bit of a derby game



a game played between what are supposed to be two of the most deeply died in the wool RL towns that are just streets apart fighting out an ancient derby



Or a game where (again) one of the most successeful teams in SL are playing another local team in a game not on TV



Or since the last poster mentioned Wigan Cru - the top team in the country, current holders, (and better supported than the Giants) fighting for a place in the next round could only get a small amount more



etc etc



in fact if we factor in London would have attended with very few fans (no fault of theirs, and not a slight on them at all) it actually stacks up fairly evenly.



Even if it doesnt - I still havent had an answer as to what constitues acceptable



Or is the answer "not Huddersfield's attendance, no matter what it is"?

it was a poor crowd! get over it Hudd fans.



Those who attended i applaud, thoses who didnt and preffered to watch it on tv should be ashamed.



how many came to the Shay last year for your home game against the Welshies?



4892.



not the best that!

I thought keighley was a good att considering there average is probably around 900

I am in complete agreement, it was a terrible crowd



I want to know what makes all those others I quoted so much better?

It cant be that "exciting" if the faithfull dont turn up to watch

Fartown attendances this year so far compared to same games last year (day played in brackets):



Widnes: 2011 - n/a. 2012(8869).

Wire: 2011(Fri) - 7224. 2012(Sat) - 8184. {+960, +13%}

Saints: 2011(Sat) - 7843. 2012(Sun) - 9194. {+1351, +17%}

Cas: 2011(Sun) - 5237. 2012(Fri) - 6928. {+1691, +32%}

Salford: 2011(Tue) - 6042. 2012(Fri) - 6988. {+946, +16%}

Hull FC: 2011(Sun) - 8822. 2012(Mon) - 9950. {+1128, +13%}



Average: 2011 - 7091. 2012(so far) - 8352. {+1261, +18%}



Not bad in a recession, pretty good growth. Still the bigger crowds of Wigan, Leeds and Bradford at home to come. No-one from Huddersfield is trying to claim our attendances are fantastic, or what a table topping side deserves. What they are though is growing, after nigh on 40 years of dross and near bankruptcy. From little acorns...

Nice attempt at diversion...but this thread is about the CC game, not games where Giants fans got a season ticket in a lucky bag from the local shop.

When you have a constructive point to make then do come back. I thought a bit of perspective and rational debate might be worth a try after nearly 20 pages, but ho hum.



As I alluded to in my previous post, no-one is trying to say Huddersfield have world-beating crowds. And yes, I agree, the CC game was appalling. No excuses can make a good reason for it, it was an awful crowd. However, it is one attendance in 2012. We also took over 1000 to Catalans, shall we talk about that?

It maybe would be 'pretty good growth' if season tickets weren't being virtually given away.

All we are missing here is a few pitchforks.