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Wigan have announced the signing of Leigh's Sam Hopkins this morning.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA":3rosd6oeHereAnd used it as part of your evidence that Wigans youth production was better. In spite of the fact they have had the same success (if we treat all trophies as having the same worth, which is ridiculous) and Wigan have had fewer youth developed players experience that success.
That’s lovely, and im sure Ryan Hampshire appreciates your support. As I said Stevie Ward already has a grand final winners medal and a run in the first team. Ryan Hampshire is the same age as Liam Sutcliffe, who is also playing in the first team for Leeds and Sutcliffe also played when the Leeds U19’s scored 40 points against Ryan Hampshire’s Warriors. Now I hope Hampshire goes on to be a brilliant player, a world class player. But he isn’t yet, and isn’t evidence of Wigans youth development being head and shoulders above everyone else’s. Because other teams also produce good players, some of them better than Wigans.
You have missed the point again. Wigan may have been the most successful side at winning youth trophies, but that’s not translated in to the first team. Wigan may have won 4 out of 5 of the last academy GF’s, Leeds have won 4 out of 5 of the first team GF’s including 3 in a row, appeared in 3 challenge cup finals, a LLS, and a WCC. Wigan have a Challenge Cup, a LLS and a GF in that time.
So again, tell us why the Wigans youth development has been head and shoulders better than the club which has been by far the most successful side of the past 5 years, who has introduced top quality players like Hall, Watkins, Jones-Bishop, Clarkson, Ward, and now Singleton, Sutcliffe, Minns and Baldwinson,'" that Leeds have been so successful over the last decade. Since Ian Lenegan has taken over at Wigan, he has put the emphasis on youth development in Wigan, and this has seen us dominate the Academy competition over recent years. Since we have started to dominate the Academy, it has seen a turnaround in fortune for our first team. With 3 trophies in 3 years. More than likely to be 4 in 4, unless we have a serious capitulation in the next 8 years. Surely, that shows that by having a successful Academy side, this will translate into success in the senior side. It worked for Leeds, and they are still reaping the benefits of that. And it will work for Wigan over the next 10 years, as we will be there, or there abouts for a few years to come now. | | | |
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| Quote Jeff the God of Biscuits="Jeff the God of Biscuits"Again, show me where I said we had the best 19s? I said we had the most talent [As evidenced by the inclusion of no less than 8 Wigan u19s in the England Academy team that beat France recently. I stopped short of saying we had the best 19s, because we may not win that competition this year.'" Here.
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What I am saying, is that at this moment in time, Wigan have the best youth setup in Superleague. We have the best young players, the best facilities, and the best coaches. These are simple facts. I'm sorry if this flies in the face of all things Leeds, but it's true. Leeds have nowhere near the amount of Talent in their u19s that Wigan do. As evident by the England academy side including no less than 8 Wiganers in the victory against France the other week.'"
Quote Jeff the God of BiscuitsThat's very good for both of these players. If we're saying Ward is a better player than Hampshire becasue of his GF winners ring, than I guess Ricky Bibey was twice the player Andy Coley was, since he has 2 CC winners medals. Trophies don't make you a good player, trophies mean you play in a championship side. Now if in 10 years time Ward has 10 Rings and Hampshire has none, then you can quote this stat. At the moment it's meaningless.'" What is meaningless is bringing up a player who has down nothing at all in the game whatsoever as an example of Wigans youth development being head and shoulders above anyone elses. We've all seen a million and one players absolutely kill it at youth level and never be able to make the step up or go on to disappoint at first grade. Ryan Hampshire isnt even a first grade player, how on earth is he evidence of Wigans youth development? Stevie Ward is 19 years old, has played numerous times for the first team and even lined up and played in a GF. How on earth isnt he evidence of Leeds youth development?
Quote Jeff the God of BiscuitsI have never denied other teams produce brilliant players, and only 2 or 3 posts ago congratulated Leeds on the amount of talent they've brought through. You seem to think that by me saying Wigan have the best Youth Development system, i'm somehow dismissing everyone else? I'm not. Just by stating Wigan have the best system, doesn't in any way detract against any other clubs systems, it's something they can aspire to. If any club can overtake Wigan as the best producer of young it can only mean good things for the game as a whole.'"
To say it is head and shoulders above everyone else is dismissing everyone else. Especially considering that it clearly isnt head and shoulders above everyone elses.
Quote Jeff the God of BiscuitsI think it is you, who is missing my point. Lets go back to the early 21st century, when Leeds were dominating academy level, year after year, nobody could touch them. It is because of this [They had the best youth system in the country at that point that Leeds have been so successful over the last decade. Since Ian Lenegan has taken over at Wigan, he has put the emphasis on youth development in Wigan, and this has seen us dominate the Academy competition over recent years. Since we have started to dominate the Academy, it has seen a turnaround in fortune for our first team. With 3 trophies in 3 years. More than likely to be 4 in 4, unless we have a serious capitulation in the next 8 years. Surely, that shows that by having a successful Academy side, this will translate into success in the senior side. It worked for Leeds, and they are still reaping the benefits of that. And it will work for Wigan over the next 10 years, as we will be there, or there abouts for a few years to come now.'" No it isnt. Look back a little further than that and Leeds were always winning academy and youth competitions, but they werent fed in to the first team's well. Thats why we saw players like Fozzard, Carvell, Moore, Robinson, leaving. We then changed that, and good young players were blooded correctly and Leeds saw success, and leeds continuation of that success is based on blooding the very best of those it may be convenient for you to put Leeds success down to the 'golden generation' and pretend Leeds arent developing those players any more, but it would be nonsense . | | |
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA":3nitarbyHere.
What is meaningless is bringing up a player who has down nothing at all in the game whatsoever as an example of Wigans youth development being head and shoulders above anyone elses. We've all seen a million and one players absolutely kill it at youth level and never be able to make the step up or go on to disappoint at first grade. Ryan Hampshire isnt even a first grade player, how on earth is he evidence of Wigans youth development? Stevie Ward is 19 years old, has played numerous times for the first team and even lined up and played in a GF. How on earth isnt he evidence of Leeds youth development?
To say it is head and shoulders above everyone else is dismissing everyone else. Especially considering that it clearly isnt head and shoulders above everyone elses.
No it isnt. Look back a little further than that and Leeds were always winning academy and youth competitions, but they werent fed in to the first team's well. Thats why we saw players like Fozzard, Carvell, Moore, Robinson, leaving. We then changed that, and good young players were blooded correctly and Leeds saw success, and leeds continuation of that success is based on blooding the very best of those it may be convenient for you to put Leeds success down to the 'golden generation' and pretend Leeds arent developing those players any more, but it would be nonsense .'" :3nitarby
Quote SmokeyTA:3nitarbyWhat I am saying, is that at this moment in time, Wigan have the best youth setup in Superleague. We have the best young players, the best facilities, and the best coaches. These are simple facts. I'm sorry if this flies in the face of all things Leeds, but it's true. Leeds have nowhere near the amount of Talent in their u19s that Wigan do. As evident by the England academy side including no less than 8 Wiganers in the victory against France the other week.'"
I'm struggling, please help me out here Smokey. | | |
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| Quote Jeff the God of Biscuits="Jeff the God of Biscuits"Now, I'm no Englsih student, though English is my first language. But, i'm struggling to find where in that paragraph I said 'Wigan have the best u19s'. I admit I said we have the most talented players [Evidenced by the amount of players chosen for representative selection this year
I'm struggling, please help me out here Smokey.'" Here
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What I am saying, is that at this moment in time, Wigan have the best youth setup in Superleague. We have the best young players, the best facilities, and the best coaches. These are simple facts. I'm sorry if this flies in the face of all things Leeds, but it's true. Leeds have nowhere near the amount of Talent in their u19s that Wigan do. '"
I really don’t know how it could be clearer. It’s a pretty unequivocal statement. | | |
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I love the smell of quotes in the morning.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Here
I really don’t know how it could be clearer. It’s a pretty unequivocal statement.'"
I really don't see that sentence being written there, Smokey. Could you maybe quote the actual sentence where I said
'Wigan Have the best u19s'
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| Quote Jeff the God of Biscuits="Jeff the God of Biscuits"I really don't see that sentence being written there, Smokey. Could you maybe quote the actual sentence where I said
'Wigan Have the best u19s'
That'd be a great help.'"
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What I am saying, is that at this moment in time, Wigan have the best youth setup in Superleague. We have the best young players, the best facilities, and the best coaches. These are simple facts. I'm sorry if this flies in the face of all things Leeds, but it's true. Leeds have nowhere near the amount of Talent in their u19s that Wigan do. '"
Unless of course you think there is something else that will go into making up the U19’s other than the U19 players, U19 coaches and U19 facilities? | | |
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It will be interesting to see whether the Wigan production line will continue under the new youth structure that they voted for.
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www.therhinos.co.uk/news/20702.php#.UcRWDPmkpsM
Leeds Rhinos 19 man squad is entirely made up of players eligible to play for England and includes 15 players from the club's academy structure with only Mitch Achurch, Jamie Peacock, Ian Kirke and Zak Hardaker not developed by the Rhinos. The average age of the 19 man squad to face the Giants is just 24 and, if selected, Minchella would become the first Leeds player to appear for the club who was born in the Super League era.
The squad in full is:
1. Zak Hardaker
2. Ben Jones-Bishop
5. Ryan Hall
7. Rob Burrow
9. Paul McShane
10. Jamie Peacock (c)
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
17. Ian Kirke
18. Chris Clarkson
19. Mitch Achurch
21. Richard Moore
22. Jimmy Keinhorst
23.Brad Singleton
26. Liam Sutcliffe
27. Thomas Minns
28. Jordan Baldwinson
30. Alex Foster
31. Elliot Minchella
Does that mean we win the grand final now or something?
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www.therhinos.co.uk/news/20702.php#.UcRWDPmkpsM
Leeds Rhinos 19 man squad is entirely made up of players eligible to play for England and includes 15 players from the club's academy structure with only Mitch Achurch, Jamie Peacock, Ian Kirke and Zak Hardaker not developed by the Rhinos. The average age of the 19 man squad to face the Giants is just 24 and, if selected, Minchella would become the first Leeds player to appear for the club who was born in the Super League era.
The squad in full is:
1. Zak Hardaker
2. Ben Jones-Bishop
5. Ryan Hall
7. Rob Burrow
9. Paul McShane
10. Jamie Peacock (c)
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
17. Ian Kirke
18. Chris Clarkson
19. Mitch Achurch
21. Richard Moore
22. Jimmy Keinhorst
23.Brad Singleton
26. Liam Sutcliffe
27. Thomas Minns
28. Jordan Baldwinson
30. Alex Foster
31. Elliot Minchella
Does that mean we win the grand final now or something?
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