You can't be offside in your own in goal area.

I think it would have been offside if Tansey had picked the ball up as he was not in the in goal area and therefore in front of Dixon in the field of play.

I'm fairly sure that's not quite true.

The team that gave away the free play (in this case it's Cas from a knock on) can still be penalised for technical infringements like offside/obstruction etc because that penalty would be the greater advantage to the non-offending team (in this case Leeds).

The team benefitting from the free play (in this case Leeds following a Cas knock-on) cannot be penalised for a technical offence, but can be for foul play.



For instance if following a Cas knock-on a Leeds player had kicked the ball forwards and another Leeds player was offside from that kick then Leeds wouldn't concede a penalty, the free play would be cancelled and the ball would go back to a scrum to Leeds for a Cas knock-on.

If following a Cas knock on Leeds pick the ball up and run with it and a Leeds player leads with the elbow then it would be a penalty to Cas regardless of the free play, because the foul play overrides the free play.



Cas, however, can still be penalised for any offence, be it technical or foul play. Otherwise it would be in Cas' interests to commit a technical offence to take the ball back to a scrum rather than allowing Leeds free play.





I do think it was a double movement from McGuire though, but if Tansey was offside from the knock on then it should have been a penalty to Leeds.

Quote RhinoDav="RhinoDav"You can't be offside in your own in goal area. I think it would have been offside if Tansey had picked the ball up as he was not in the in goal area and therefore in front of Dixon in the field of play.'" www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/o ... 14_offside Quote RhinoDav="the rules" When off side 1. A player is off side except when he is in his own ingoal if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by one of his own team behind him. '" Now I'm not so sure, since he wasn't in his own ingoal, Dixon certainly was in goal when he knocked on, if Tansey was in the ingoal whilst that happened (I don't know I haven't watched a replay) then it's fine

Quote RhinoDav="RhinoDav"You can't be offside in your own in goal area. I think it would have been offside if Tansey had picked the ball up as he was not in the in goal area and therefore in front of Dixon in the field of play.'" www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/o ... 14_offside Quote RhinoDav="the rules" When off side 1. A player is off side except when he is in his own ingoal if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by one of his own team behind him. '" Now I'm not so sure, since he wasn't in his own ingoal, Dixon certainly was in goal when he knocked on, if Tansey was in the ingoal whilst that happened (I don't know I haven't watched a replay) then it's fine

Tansey wasn't ingoal he was chugging back, hence getting back in time to swat McGuire.

Yes.







another said "he looked unfit last night."



You even posted "I thought Delaney was poor at the match last night," an admission of poor judgement which you only qualified that after reading his impressive stats.

Actually what I said was at the match he looked poor, but on seeing the stats his performance was incredible, which shows that stats can be viewed separately.



You made your comment after seeing the stats. Quite easy to do that one. Don't comment until the stats show something. I had seen the stats and still commented, and said it in a way to defend Delaney from the only post to question him. I would bet most who viewed the game would not say the stats match what they were seeing.



And as others have said, he did look poor and unfit during the match. It just would appear when you see that it clouds the judgement on other areas. You know a bit like you not seeing what game BJB really had last night, with regards kicks.

I think Delaney always does that, as others have said. I think it's more a symptom of the intensity he puts into his work.



I thought (I like the bloodbath's term here, so I'm nicking it) it was a very Delaney performance. The guy is never spectacular, rarely puts in an "MoM performance" but is an absolute workaholic. He's a workhorse. It's an under-valued role but totally central to any successful team.



He's there to do a specific job. Last night he did that specific job very well, in my opinion. Those looking for a game-breaking, stellar performance from him will remain unsatisfied for a long time to come. Those looking for him to be near the top of the tackle count and putting his hand up for the toughest, most unglamorous carries and still making yards will remain very pleased with his efforts. Fans are fickle creatures. I bet his team mates absolutely love having him in the team.

That was me and I still stand by it



I also noted that I am a big fan of Delaney and I was judging his game last night by the very high standard he has performed to since he joined the club

Thought is was a try also. The ball carrying arm can hit the deck before you score - examples all the time of players sliding over under their own momentum or that of a tackler while being tackled to score tries. Tackle was in process and McGuire's momentum (aided by the tackler) carried him over.

Unless Tansey is freakishly strong and propelled McGuire over the line while lying on the ground, there was an awful lot of McGuire effort in that movement. He certainly picked up some of that "momentum" after he had rolled over. In my house we obey the laws of thermodynamics. Second effort. No try.

I think there is no arguing with this, but it does highlight a point.



I have no idea who was at the ground or not at the ground, but I do think TV gives a completely different view to actual match.



At the game, as Soprano said, every time Delaney was in something he was bent over and hands on knees. He wasn't running as often as he normally does. And to be fair in his second spell when Cas were on their feet and he had a rest, two runs were each 15/20 metres a piece. So adjusting for those two the previous 8 carries would have being something like 5 metres per carry. On top of this you really didn't notice him in the tackle as often as his stats show.



However, all that said, the stats don't lie I presume, they display an incredible effort.

On the contrary Delaney has OFTEN put in a MoM performance because of what he brings to the table. I have never expected him to produce something spectacular ( is that how you judge every MoM contender? ).

I for one do not 'undervalue' him and I am generally a big fan of his exactly because of his workload. If anyone is going to potentially fill Peacock's boots at prop then it is he.

I simply stated at the moment he "looks" jaded and not at his best. If the statistics show otherwise then I hold my hand up and would need to look again. His workload normally stands out for me and maybe it is more of an indication that all of the forwards are getting 'stuck in'.

I am a big Delaney fan, but it is maybe time to give him a relatively easier game for a few matches from the bench. I am also keen to see how Stevie Ward goes with an extended run at LF in the same way McDermott is very successfully easing Sutcliffe into the responsibilities at SO.