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| Quote G1="G1"....in your opinion of course.
Leeds lost at home to Salford this year for the first time in a life-time. How can you say that is no an improvement for Salford? Had they beaten the worst Leeds team in 30+ years then fair enough but they've beaten a Leeds team that are back to back champions and 2nd in the league.
Leeds have won 2 successive Grand Finals and played in4 of the last 5 GF's. Saints have finished top four years in a row and won 4(?) successive CC'ss. There's every likelihood both teams will add to the impressive tally. If they don't then surely they're entitled to slip back a little.
Unless, of course, you think a team should be winning the title 3 years in a row or should be finishing top6 years in a row or should be winning7 successive CC's.
Only Wigan fans in the 1980's and 1990's had the right to expect that and class anything else as failure but luckily this is a different era and a different playing field.
And if you can't enjoy a game like last night then frankly I wonder what you get out of the game.'"
These days it's less about Leeds and more about the game generally for me. My current "issue" is that I don't see that the game is improving at anything like the rate that "humpty dumpty and wiggy" on Sky would have you believe. I feel that the standard at the very top of the league game is falling and people are cheering this because it means that other teams don't have to work as hard and play as well to beat Leeds and Saints.
How can the peak level of performance diminishing be good for the game. If you want a game where everyone fumbles around in mediocrity, knock yourself out. I'd prefer to see one where the league creates a level of skill and intensity required for GB/England to consistently perform at a level which is good enough to beat Australia or NZ, and I don't mean in one token game a series.
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| Quote Lawrie L="Lawrie L"So two teams dominating the game is good then?'"
No it's not "good for the game" but should those two teams "dumb down" so everyone else can catch up?
The only way to really improve is for others to get to the levels of performance that Leeds and Saints have set in recent years. Anything else is a false dawn.
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| IMO Lower attendances are due to the reduced south stand capacity and the recession.
With regards to Saturday's game, the weather played a huge part and with it being on sky, also being on a Saturday night which is not a usual night for home games for Leeds. It has nothing to do with Leeds not dominating as they have done. Ticket pricing is a tad pricey in the current economic climate, coupled with any bad weather and the game being televised will have an effect on any clubs attendance.
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| Quote rpw="rpw"IMO Lower attendances are due to the reduced south stand capacity and the recession.
With regards to Saturday's game, the weather played a huge part and with it being on sky, also being on a Saturday night which is not a usual night for home games for Leeds. It has nothing to do with Leeds not dominating as they have done. Ticket pricing is a tad pricey in the current economic climate, coupled with any bad weather and the game being televised will have an effect on any clubs attendance.'"
Not at all. How many games would we have been able to push capacity for the ground this season if there weren't a reduced capacity?
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| I didn't go, I went to watch Toulouse play at Featherstone.
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| Quote LEEDSLEADS.="LEEDSLEADS."I'm not sure thats totally down to McClennan. Smith had a much larger squad, including alot more strength in depth in the forwards.
All champagne rugby comes off the back of the forwards setting the platform. Our squad is to weak, the salary cap will play a major part in this but i was under the impression we haven't reached the cap limit, nor have previously.'"
Your point applies to an extent, but I think it's more to do with the fact that we don't seem to be able to string a decent move together. We rely more on individual pieces of skill these days, rather than well-crafted set plays.
But yeah, to be playing under the cap all season really is bemusing.
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| Quote Mr Scruff="Mr Scruff"
But yeah, to be playing under the cap all season really is bemusing.'"
Why is it so bemusing ?
When was the last time we dropped out of the top four in the league table ?
Why spend money that isn't required when you can achieve your goals (remind me again who has won the Grand Final these past two years) on a reduced budget ?
Its business, plain and simple, the challenge is not in spending every last penny in the salary cap, any fool can do that - its in maintaining your success on the lowest possible overhead, thats the point at which your sports club becomes a viable business.
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"Why is it so bemusing ?
When was the last time we dropped out of the top four in the league table ?
Why spend money that isn't required when you can achieve your goals (remind me again who has won the Grand Final these past two years) on a reduced budget ?
Its business, plain and simple, the challenge is not in spending every last penny in the salary cap, any fool can do that - its in maintaining your success on the lowest possible overhead, thats the point at which your sports club becomes a viable business.'"
That's partly correct, however what you fail to mention is that in any business you reinvest in order to maintain improvement especialy in periods of success, have Leeds done that?
Additionally dont underestimate what commercial value a big name player brings to a business (example Real Madrid - Beckham).
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| Quote Richie Ramrod="Richie Ramrod"That's partly correct, however what you fail to mention is that in any business you reinvest in order to maintain improvement especialy in periods of success, have Leeds done that?
Additionally dont underestimate what commercial value a big name player brings to a business (example Real Madrid - Beckham).'"
We do both already.
The team we have is the result of previous seasons investments, and we all know that in November there will be news of a "big" signing just before the season ticket prices are announced, its as certain as christmas.
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"Why is it so bemusing ?
When was the last time we dropped out of the top four in the league table ?
Why spend money that isn't required when you can achieve your goals (remind me again who has won the Grand Final these past two years) on a reduced budget ?
Its business, plain and simple, the challenge is not in spending every last penny in the salary cap, any fool can do that - its in maintaining your success on the lowest possible overhead, thats the point at which your sports club becomes a viable business.'"
It's bemusing because it means we're not playing as well as we can.
Not playing as well as we can means it isn't as attractive to the spectators (evidenced by our lower attendances this season), corporates, sponsors etc.
And don't forget, we're out of the cup. One of our goals at the beginning of the season was to win the cup, so we're clearly not achieving our goals.
You're right - it is a business. Which is why it's important to increase revenue by drawing the crowds, and also to stay in relatively lucrative competitions like the Challenge Cup.
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| Quote Mr Scruff="Mr Scruff"It's bemusing because it means we're not playing as well as we can.
Not playing as well as we can means it isn't as attractive to the spectators (evidenced by our lower attendances this season), corporates, sponsors etc.
And don't forget, we're out of the cup. One of our goals at the beginning of the season was to win the cup, so we're clearly not achieving our goals.
You're right - it is a business. Which is why it's important to increase revenue by drawing the crowds, and also to stay in relatively lucrative competitions like the Challenge Cup.'"
How does spending up to your cap limit mean you'll play better?
For the last two years Wigan have most likely had a salary spend equal to or more than that of Leeds - remind me again how far that got them both on the field and in terms of increasing crowds?
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"How does spending up to your cap limit mean you'll play better?
For the last two years Wigan have most likely had a salary spend equal to or more than that of Leeds - remind me again how far that got them both on the field and in terms of increasing crowds?'"
Wigan and Leeds are two completely different clubs with different players. To compare the two is pointless.
In the case of Leeds, spending up to cap would mean more players. This would benefit the club in two ways. Firstly, players could be rotated and rested, ensuring we get the best out of them for as long as possible. Secondly, it allows the coach to drop players if they're not playing well and replace them with people who are eager to prove their place.
This worked particularly well in 2004. Do you remember 2004?
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